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Wednesday, July 18, 2018

The Whole or the Fullness is not concerned with religions

The Whole or the Fullness is not
concerned with  religions


From one religion's perspective, it could be true
that everyone should follow or convert to their religion
in order to establish their God's order in this world.
From another religion's perspective, it could be true
that everyone should be allowed to follow their own religion
in order to establish their God's order in this world.

For God's sake, how could both of these conflicting
positions can be true from their own perspectives?
How could Dvaitam, Vishishtadvaitam and Advaitam
can all be true in their own perspectives?
Either, they all could be true or all could be false
There cannot be in between unless I take a certain position

In a dream, all the characters or events are totally false
and immaterial and this attitude sets me (I AM) free
For a toddler who is listening to a fantasy story, all the
characters and events are totally true, no matter how
illogical the plot or content of the story is and this attitude
gives me (I AM) immense happiness listening to the story

Either totally false or totally true is possible only when
You consider dream or fantasy story as one single entity
If you dissect and divide the dream or fantasy story, then
the division of right and wrong, truth and false are inevitable
By looking at the dream or fantasy story as one single entity
I have an option to either totally accept it or totally renounce it

The truth is, you are the reality, in which all these dreams
and imaginations appear and disappear in the matrix of your
consciousness.  The appearances shines, thanks to the light
from your consciousness, you simply witness them and either
totally renounce all of them as false, the fleeting appearances
or accept all of them as the truth (as nothing but God)

The conflict arises only when some of them are considered
as the truth and the others as the false.  Remember, you cannot
consider certain portions of the dream or the fantasy story
as false and other portions as the truth and the divisions only
appears in the dream or in the fantasy and not outside of it
Therefore, it is either all or nothing and no in between.

Based on the vasanas, time to time, the thought, speech
and the action may continue to take a position and attempt to
divide the cosmos into truth and false, right and wrong, but
remember that too is nothing but appearance in your consciousness
You are the whole in which vasanas and its projections - thought,
speech and action are shined by the light of your consciousness

Bottomline, you either take all of them as the truth (as God) or take
all of them as the false (just an appearance you cannot hold on to)
It cannot be either partially true or partially false.  It is all or nothing
In either case, you stand as the whole for all (all creations)
or the whole for nothing (no creation at all), simply put, you
are the whole in which all the apparent divisions seem to exist. 

All the things, concepts, religions & interpretations - Dvaitam,
Vishishtadvaitam and Advaitam, can be taken as the truth,
as the same fullness is present as the substratum and pervades
all of them.  On the other hand, even if one or some of these are added
or removed, the fullness the Existence-consciousness principle (I AM)
remains as it is without any change, thus rest of them can be taken as false

This is beautifully explained in the following mantra on the fullness (Purnam),
Then there is no conflict about the things, concepts, religions and their
interpretations within oneself (Adhyatma), with the universe of objects
(Adhibhuta) and with the superintending Divinity (Adhideva).  The peace
(shanti three times) exists with all of them, by the attitude of appreciating
the presence of fullness in all of them or just taking only the fullness alone

Om poornamadah poornamidam poornaat poornamudachyate
Poornasya poornamaadaaya poornamevaavashishṣyate
Om shaantih shaantih shaantih

Tuesday, April 28, 2015

Maasila nilave nam-tamil song from movie Ambikapathy

Movie:                                            Ambikapathy

Song:                                              Maasila nilave nam kadhalai magizhvodu

Youtube Link to the Song:           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TFpH1Pu0Ug

Background of the Song:              This song summarizes the Advaita (Non-Dual Consciousness). The seeker (devotee) after several failure attempts in the pursuit of happiness reaches to the Lord or Guru.  The Lord or Guru says perform self-enquiry (where is the joy?). Because of Lord's grace, the seeker finds the Joy is within himself, as the Lord is present as the substratum within himself.  Once the seeker has merged with Lord, can there be a seeker separate from Lord?  Only Lord exists.  Thus the seeker says I AM THAT (LORD).

Summary of the Song:
  • The devotee or seeker eventually finds that Lord is within himself, the source of Joy is within himself.  The seeker finds that Joy is radiating everywhere and finds all the forms are celebrating his Love towards Lord.  He is extolled with Joy and expresses this emotion to God as follows:
  • The power of (our) rarely spoken surpassing Love, has swept away all the likes and dislikes (dualities / differences).  As a result of this, the Joy that is inherent within is recognized.
  • Earlier, I found anomalies with Your creation with my limited mind and couldn't comprehend Your creation.  After your Grace has bestowed upon me, I find that Your creations are perfectly organized and they shine as the guiding light and stand as the testimonials of Your creation.
  • You are manifesting in different forms and all these forms are blessing our Love in Silence.   This Love is the recognition of Your presence behind all these forms.  As a result of this Love, I enjoy Peace.
  • After several failure attempts in the pursuit of happiness in external things, I reached out to You. You advised to perform self-enquiry (where is the joy from?). Because of Your grace You have pointed the Joy is inside myself (here), as You are present as the substratum within myself.
  • Oh Lord!  I see your presence everywhere!  I see Your presence in all these transient objects!!  They simply operate in synchronicity because of Your Grace. 
  • Your vision is so pleasant and peaceful and my mind has fallen for You similar to a Lilly that has fallen in Love with the moon in the sky.  
  • If there is Only One (You) entity, which is not subjected to change and perish, how can there be any differences? All that are seen is nothing but expression of Love!  
  • Once the music merges with the pleasant gentle breeze, is it possible to separately listen the music from that of the pleasant gentle breeze?  Oh Lord!!!  They have become ONE! It is Just One!!
  • I have merged in You!!!  If one has merged into another, how that merged entity can be separated from the other?  Only Lord exists.  I AM THAT (LORD).  
Legend:  Transliteration                 Literal Meaning                 Spiritual Contemplation

மாசிலா நிலவே நம் காதலை மகிழ்வோடு
மாநிலம் கொண்டாடுதே கண்ணே மாநிலம் கொண்டாடுதே
maasila nilave nam kadhalai magizhvodu 
maanilam kondadudhe kanne manillam kondadudhe
Oh Lord! Our Love that is devoid of any defects
Is being celebrated by one and all in the world!  
  • When we are joyful, we find that the whole world is celebrating with us.  Here joy represents the happiness within and not derived from external things.
  • In the first two lines, the devotee finds the happiness is within himself.  The seeker finds the Lord is the source of happiness, and HE is the substratum of him, which is inseparable.  This happiness is neither dependent on his body, mind nor external objects, nor his actions nor inactions nor dictated by the pleasant or unpleasant external situation.  
  • The seeker finds that Joy is radiating everywhere and finds all the forms are celebrating his Love towards Lord. He is extolled with joy and expressing this emotion to GOD as follows.
பேசவும் அறிதான பிரேமையின் திறம் கண்டு
பேசவும் அறிதான பிரேமையின் திறம் கண்டு
பேதங்கள் பறந்தோடுதே கண்ணா பேதங்கள் பறந்தோடுதே
pesavum aridhaana premayin thiram kandu 
pesavum aridhaana premayin thiram kandu
bedhangaL parandodudhe kanna bedhangal parandodudhe
Recognizing the power of (our) rarely spoken surpassing love 
The dualities are swept away! Oh my DARLING! The dualities are swept away!
  • This surpassing Love towards Him cannot be spoken of.  This Love doesn't originate from my mind but by His Grace.  Grace is so powerful that cannot be expressed in words.  And this Grace has a power, which expresses itself as an unconditional Love.  This Love is boundless and unconditional as it is independent of any external things objects, which are subjected to change and perish.
  • Differences or dualities (Good & bad, likes & dislikes) can be present only if I am dealing with external objects.  If there is Only One entity, which is not subjected to change and perish, how can there be any differences?  As a result of this unconditional Love, good & bad, likes & dislikes vanishes.  
  • Oh Love, what a delightful Joy it is.  I had suffered earlier because of my likes and dislikes.  If I had to say I like something, it indirectly means that I dislike something else.  As a result my love becomes conditional, my actions become conditional.  
  • But Your Gracious Love has wiped out the opposites or dualities.  Thank you Lord!
மாசிலா நிலவே நம் காதலை மகிழ்வோடு
மாநிலம் கொண்டாடுதே கண்ணே மாநிலம் கொண்டாடுதே
maasila nilave nam kadhalai magizhvodu 
maanilam kondadudhe
Oh Lord! Our Love that is devoid of any defects
Is being celeberated by one and all in the world!  
  • This is a repeat of the very first two lines. However, this is emphasized here because of the following. Oh Lord!  Your Gracious Unconditional Love has uprooted the opposites. Gracious Love originates deep inside me.  Joy is inherent when Gracious Love is present. And this Joy which originates from inside radiates everywhere and everyone is celebrating This Love with Joy.  
சீருடன் வான்மேதில் தாரகை பலகோடி
சீருடன் வான்மேதில் தாரகை பலகோடி
தீபமாய் ஒளி வீசுதே கண்ணே
தீபமாய் ஒளி வீசுதே
seerudan vaanmedhil thaaragai palakodi 
seerudan vaanmedhil thaaragai palakodi
deepamaai oLi veesudhe kanne 
deepamaai oLi veesudhe 
Billions of stars that are perfectly organized 
Billions of stars that are perfectly organized 
Shine as the guiding light! oh my Darling!
Shine as the guiding light!
  • Oh Supreme!  Before your Grace bestowed on me, my mind found anomalies in the creation, opposites, and injustice in the world.  Now, I understand because of the limitations of the mind I couldn't comprehend your creation.  
  • Oh Love! Now I see the perfect structure of Your creation.  Oh! It is so beautiful!  Look at the perfect alignment of billions of Stars.  How can these stars can be hanging out in the middle without proper structure and alignment?  It is all your beautiful play!
  • These perfectly organized beautiful stars stand out as the guiding light and one of the testimonials of Your creation.
மாருதம் தனிலாடும் மாந்தளிர் கரம்நீட்டி
மாருதம் தனிலாடும் மாந்தளிர் கரம்நீட்டி
மௌனமாய் நமை வாழ்த்துதே கண்ணா
மௌனமாய் நமை வாழ்த்துதே
maarudham thanilaadum maandhaLir karamneetti 
maarudham thanilaadum maandhaLir karamneetti
mounamaai namai vaazhthudhe kanna 
mounamaai namai vaazhthudhe 
The inflorescence in the mango trees reaches out
The inflorescence in the mango trees reaches out
To bless our Love in silence
To bless our Love in silence
  • Oh God!  Look at those mango trees’ inflorescence and they are Your various forms of manifestation.  I see Your blessings everywhere.  It is all because of You.  
  • You are manifesting in different forms and all these forms are blessing our Love in Silence. This Love is the recognition of your presence behind all these forms.  As a result of this Love, I enjoy Peace.
மாசிலா நிலவே நம் காதலை மகிழ்வோடு
மாநிலம் கொண்டாடுதே கண்ணே மாநிலம் கொண்டாடுதே
maasila nilave nam kadhalai magizhvodu 
maanilam kondadudhe
Oh Lord! Our Love that is devoid of any defects
Is being celeberated by one and all in the world!  
  • This is a repeat of the very first two lines. However, this is emphasized here because of the following.  Oh Lord!  The Gracious Love has allowed me to receive Your blessings are from all sides, as you are present behind all the forms.  Oh Supreme!!! I experience Peace, because I do not have fear, as you are there to protect me from all sides.  Peace is inherent when Your Gracious Love is present, which is felt inside.    And this Joy is observed everywhere and everyone is celebrating This Love with Joy.  
அன்பே
இன்பம்
எங்கே
இங்கே
anbe 
inbam 
engae 
inge
Oh Dear!
Where is the Joy?
Here it is!
  • After several failure attempts in the pursuit of happiness in external things, I reached out to You. You advised to perform self-enquiry (where is the joy from?). Because of Your grace You have pointed the Joy is inside myself (here), as You are present as the substratum within myself.
மாறாத பேரின்ப நீராடுவோம்
நீரோடு நீர்போல நாம் கூடுவோம்
maraadha paerinba neeraduvom 
neerodu neerpola naam kooduvom 
Let us swim in this unchanging bliss
Let us intermingle like the water unite with the water 
  • As I found You as the substratum, I find your Gracious Love & Bliss within me.  Let us swim together in this Gracious Ocean just filled with unchanging Bliss which doesn’t depend on any external things.  Oh my Lord!!!  Let me be as a River which intermingles with You, the Ocean! 
அன்பே
இன்பம்
எங்கே
இங்கே
மாறாத பேரின்ப நீராடுவோம்
anbe 
inbam 
engae 
inge
maraadha paerinba neeraduvom 
Oh Dear!
Where is the Joy?
Here it is!
Let us swim in this unchanging bliss
  • There is a reason for repeat of the conversation again.
  • After sometime, the seeker loses the happiness.  I lost the inherent happiness due to the identification with the limited body and mind.  Oh Lord!!! After sometime I lost You!  Then I asked my Love (You) where is the happiness?  You asked me to look inside.  Once again because of Your Grace, You have pointed the happiness is inside myself (here), as You are present as the substratum within myself.
  • Let us swim together in this Gracious Ocean just filled with Love.  Oh my Lord!!!  Let me be as a River which intermingles with You, the Ocean!  I don’t want to get separated by any means.  
நீந்தும் அலையின் மீது நிலவின் தன்னொளி விளையாடுதே
தேன் துளியை ஏந்தும் மலரும் தென்றலும் உறவாடுதே
neendhum alaiyin meedhu nilavin thannoLi viLaiyaadudhe 
thaen thuLiyai aendhum malarum thendralum uravaadudhe
The reflection of the moon is playing with that swimming waves
The honey bearing flower and the gentle breeze has fallen for each other
  • Oh Lord!  I see your presence everywhere!  I see Your presence in all these transient objects!!  They simply operate in synchronicity because of Your Grace.  I can see the waves roaring in Joy, while the moon enjoys by moving its rays up and down to match the flow of the waves.
  • Oh Love! Look at there, the honey bearing flower graciously has fallen in Love with that gentle breeze.  It is all your synchronized act and stamps Your presence!!
உந்தன் மீன் விழிகளை காணும் நதியின் மீன்களும் துள்ளி ஆடுதே
மீன் விழிகளை காணும் நதியின் மீன்களும் துள்ளி ஆடுதே
கானெழில் முகம் வான் மதியென அல்லியும் உம்மை நாடுதே
கானெழில் முகம் வான் மதியென அல்லியும் உம்மை நாடுதே
undhan meen vizhigaLai kaanum nadhiyin meengaLum thuLLi aadudhe 
meen vizhigaLai kaanum nadhiyin meengaLum thuLLi aadudhe 
kaanezhiL mugham vaan madhiena alliyum ummai naadudhe 
kaanezhiL mugham vaan madhiena alliyum ummai naadudhe 
The fish in the river bounces and dances upon seeing your fish like eyes
The fish in the river bounces and dances upon seeing your fish like eyes
The lilly seeks you, as your face resembles the beautiful moon in the sky
The lilly seeks you, as your face resembles the beautiful moon in the sky
  • Oh Supreme!!  You are the eternal eye behind the physical and mental eyes.  After the glimpse of You, these external eyes are excited to see You again, but You are behind all.  On the other hand, you are all these manifestations as well, these external eyes excited to see Your manifestations everywhere.  
  • Your vision is so pleasant and peaceful and my mind has fallen for You similar to a Lilly that has fallen in Love with the moon in the sky.  
அன்பே
இன்பம்
எங்கே
இங்கே
மாறாத பேரின்ப நீராடுவோம்
anbe 
inbam 
engae 
inge
maraadha paerinba neeraduvom 
Oh Dear!
Where is the Joy?
Here it is!
Let us swim in this unchanging bliss
  • Oh Love!!!  Because of Your Grace, You have pointed the Bliss is inside myself (here), as You are present as the substratum within myself.  Let us swim together in this Gracious Ocean which is just filled with unchanging bliss.  
வானம் எங்கே பூமி எங்கே வாழ்வு தாழ்வெங்கே
காணும் யாவும் காதலன்றி வேறு ஏதிங்கே
vaanam enge bhoomi enge vaazhvu thazhvenge 
kaanum yaavum kadhalandri veru aethinge 
Oh Lord! What is (How do you define) sky?  What is earth?  What is superior?  What is inferior?
All that is seen is nothing but LOVE!
  • Oh My Lord!  Because of your Grace, I no longer see the opposites or dualities.  
  • Opposites (Good & bad, likes & dislikes) can be present only if we are dealing with external objects. If there is Only One (YOU) entity, which is not subjected to change and perish, how can there be any differences?  If that is the case, how can I define what is superior and inferior?  All that are seen is nothing but expression of Love!  
  • Oh Love, what a delightful Joy it is.  I had suffered earlier because of my likes and dislikes.  But Your Gracious Love wiped out the opposites.  Thank You Lord!
  • I see nothing but Your Gracious Love!!!  Oh My Love!!  I am ecstatic!!!  
வேணு கானம் தென்றலோடு சேர்ந்த பின்னாலே
கானம் வேறு காற்று வேறாய் கேட்பதே இல்லை
venu gaanam thendralodu serndha pinnale 
gaanam veru kaatru veraai ketpadhe illai 
Once the music from the flute merges with the gentle breeze
The wind and the music are not heard separately
  • Oh Supreme!  Once the music merges with the pleasant gentle breeze, is it possible to separately hear music from that of the pleasant gentle breeze?  Oh Lord!!!  They have become One!  It is JUST One!! 
இனி நானும் வேறில்லை
இனி நானும் வேறில்லை
இனி நானும் வேறில்லை
இனி நானும் வேறில்லை….
ini naanum verillai 
ini naanum verillai 
ini naanum verillai 
ini naanum verillai......
I am not separate from YOU.   
I am not separate from YOU.   
I am not separate from YOU.   
I am not separate from YOU.....   
  • This is the epitome of the song, which summarizes the ADVAITA.  
  • I have merged in YOU!!!  If one has merged into another, how that merged entity can be separated from the other?  Only LORD exists.  I AM THAT (LORD).  

Wednesday, October 29, 2014

Adiye Adiye - Tamil Song from the movie Kadal - The attitude, feelings and experiences of a disciple who have surrendered to the Guru

Movie: Kadal 

Song: Adiye Adiye


Background of the Song:  This song is a love song between Gautham Karthik and Thulasi Nayar in the Tamil movie Kadal.  Even though this song is meant to be a Love song between the hero and heroine in the movie, from a spiritual context, it really fits into the characteristics of a disciple towards the Guru.  This song depicts the attitude, feelings and experience of a disciple, in a sequence of steps, who have surrendered to the Guru.    The song is written by Madhan Karky.  The music by A R Rahman eloquently describes the temperament of the disciple.  The singer Sid Sriram expresses the heart and soul of the disciple beautifully.  The following points are the highlight of this song.
  • A disciple surrenders to a Guru and gets initiated and his limited mind opens up.
  • The surrendered disciple asks the Guru where he is taking him to.
  • The surrendered disciple says that he couldn't figure out the Samsara and will follow him like a kid goat.
  • Guru says to him "YOU ARE THAT (BRAHMAN)" and disciple wonders about this impossibility
  • Disciple is frightened by his own mental impressions (vasanas)
  • But by Guru's grace he transcends (some of) them
  • Now, the disciple says to Guru now I understand that you are taking me to my liberation
  • Disciple explains how Guru has helped him to experience the Truth
  • Disciple asks the Guru, but after coming out of the experience and if I go back to the old ways (unable to keep it permanent), will you leave me struggling?
  • The Disciple will continue to follow the Guru until he is liberated.
Legend:        Spiritual Contemplation                   Transliteration                                  

'The disciple surrenders to Guru, Guru initiates the disciple and as a result his limited mind is opened
மனச தொறந்தாயே நீ
எங்க இருந்து வந்தாயோ நீ
manasa thoranthaye nee
engirinthu vanthaayo nee

'Since the disciple has surrendered he asks the Guru, where HE is taking him, the answer comes in later lines
அடியே அடியே
என்ன எங்க நீ கூட்டிப் போற
அடியே அடியே
எங்க நீ கூட்டிப் போற
என்ன எங்க நீ கூட்டிப் போற
adi ye adi ye
enna enge nee kootti pora?
adi ye adi ye
enge nee kootti pora?
enna, enge nee kootti pora?

'Similar to Pallankuzhi game, I do not understand the path of this Samsara that has many twists, turns and rules (karmic law, pavam & punniyam, dharma & adharma, right & wrong).  I tried my best and failed. I am imperfect and have erratic behaviors.   I am sure you can save me.  I have surrendered to you.  So I am following you like a kid goat
பல்லாங்குழி பாத புரியல
உன்ன நம்பி வாரேனே
இந்த காட்டுப் பய ஒரு
ஆட்டுக் குட்டி போல உன் பின்னே சுத்துறனே (2)
pallaankuzhi paadha(i) puriyala
onna nambi vaareney
indha kaattu paya oru aattukutti pola
u(n) pinne suthureney  (2)

'Since the disciple has surrendered, he asks the Guru, where HE is taking him, the answer comes in later lines
அடியே அடியே
என்ன எங்க நீ கூட்டிப் போற
adi ye adi ye
enna enge nee kootti pora?

'Hey Guru, where are you from?  You are saying, I do not have limitations and “YOU ARE THAT (BRAHMAN)”.  Is that possible? This is similar to asking a fish to fly by just drawing wings to it.  People around me reminds about my limitations all the time, but you are saying I am the substratum itself, without limitations, where are you from (are you crazy)?    
மீன தூக்கி ரெக்க வறஞ்ச
வானம் மேல நீ வீசி எறிஞ்ச
பறக்கப் பழக்குறியே
எங்கிருந்து வந்தாயோ நீ
meena thooki rekka(i) varanja
vaanam mele nee veesi yerinja
parakka pazhakkuriye
engarunthu vanthayo nee

'Since the disciple has surrendered he asks the Guru, where HE is taking him, the answer comes in later lines
அடியே அடியே
என்ன எங்க நீ கூட்டிப் போற ( 2 )
adi ye adi ye
enna enge nee kootti pora? (2)


'You have shown me how to see my own vasanas (mental impressions) (Refer to Siva Puranam by Manickavasagar and Abirahmi Andhadhi by Abirahmi Pattar).  When I watch how these mental impressions put me into compulsive actions and they frighten me because I am bound by that. 
கண்ணால கண்ணாடி செஞ்சு
என் அச்சத்த காட்டுறியே
kannaala kannaadi senju
en achaththa kaatturiye

But by your grace, you are removing the vasanas without trace, revealing the pure heart
என் தூசி துரும்பெல்லாம் தட்டி
உள்ளம் வெள்ளை அடிக்கிறியே
en thoosi thurumbella(m) thatti
ullam vellai adikkiriye

'Since the disciple has surrendered he asks the Guru, where HE is taking him, the answer comes in next lines
அடியே அடியே
என்ன எங்க நீ கூட்டிப் போற ( 2 )
adi ye adi ye
enna enge nee kootti pora? (2)    

'Here the disciple answers where the Guru is taking him.  Guru is taking away from Samsara to Liberation. It is like joining the earth to the SKY through rainbow.  Only you can do this. 
ஒ பூமி விட்டு சொர்கத்துக்கு
நீ வானவில்லில் பாத விரிச்ச
oooh bhoomi vittu sorgathukku
nee vaanavillil paadha(i) viricha

'How does the Guru do that?  The disciple has surrendered his mind and constantly contemplates on Guru and follows him like a kid goat. With the grace of the Guru, the mind becomes strong like a tight rope.  When they are simply lose threads it cannot be useful.  But when these threads are joined to form a tight rope it become useful utilitarian to lift something.  Similarly, when the mind is scattered in many directions then it cannot concentrate.  But with a single thought of Guru the mind is strengthened and the disciple experiences the Truth and the Guru takes him towards liberation. 
மனசக் கைறாக்கி
இழுத்து போறாயே நீ
manasak kayiraakki
izhuthu poraaye nee

'Even after experiencing the Truth, the mind may slip away and dwell in Samsara, until Sahaja Samadhi is reached. If that happens will you leave me Guru? (Refer to Kaivalya Naveneedam verse, Guru’s response where the disciple asks the Guru what he can offer to Guru for making him to realize the Truth and Katha Upanishad – Chapter 2, Section 3 verse 11).
சொர்க்கம் விட்டு பூமி வந்தால்
மீண்டும் கிழக்கில் சூரியன் வந்தால்
நான் விழிச்சு பார்க்கையில
கலைஞ்சு போவாயோ நீ
sorga(m) vittu bhoomi vandhaal
meendu(m) kizhakkil sooriyan (va)ndhaal
naan vizhichu paakayile
kalanju povaaayo nee

The answer is not given in the above song.  Obviously, the disciple has tasted the nectar and would be following the Guru like a kid goat until the liberation is attained.